State: volumes, secrets & the backup pipeline
All of a Talkyard site's durable state lives in a handful of Docker named volumes, while its configuration and secrets come in as bind mounts and Docker secrets. This topic maps which container mounts what (and read-only vs read-write), then walks through the stock talkyard-backup image and the caveats worth knowing before you rely on it. Everything below is as of v1.2026.003.
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Volumes, config & secrets
The named volumes hold everything you can't afford to lose; the config files and the Postgres password are supplied from the host at read-only. Note that the same container often mounts a volume at a different access level than its neighbours —
pub-filesisrwforappbutroforweb.flowchart TB subgraph hostfs["Host filesystem — your deployment dir"] playconf@{ shape: doc, label: "play-framework.conf" } sitesconf@{ shape: doc, label: "sites-enabled/" } pgsecret@{ shape: doc, label: "postgres_password.txt" } end web["`**web** _reverse proxy_`"] app["`**app** _forum logic_`"] cache["`**cache** _redis_`"] rdb["`**rdb** _postgres_`"] search["`**search** _elasticsearch_`"] subgraph vols["Named volumes (<project>_*)"] pgdata[("`**pg-data** _irreplaceable_`")] esdata[("`**es-data + es-logs** _rebuildable index_`")] redisdata[("`**redis-data** _ephemeral cache_`")] pubfiles[("`**pub-files** _public uploads_`")] privfiles[("`**priv-files** _private uploads_`")] webgen[("`**web-generated** _auto-ssl ACME acct key_`")] end sitesconf -->|"ro"| web playconf -->|"ro"| app pgsecret -->|"secret"| app pgsecret -->|"secret"| rdb web ---|"ro"| pubfiles web --- webgen app ---|"rw"| pubfiles app ---|"rw"| privfiles cache --- redisdata rdb --- pgdata search --- esdata classDef front fill:#dcfce7,stroke:#16a34a,color:#14532d classDef appt fill:#e0e7ff,stroke:#6366f1,color:#312e81 classDef data fill:#fef3c7,stroke:#d97706,color:#78350f classDef conf fill:#dbeafe,stroke:#2563eb,color:#1e3a5f class pgdata,esdata,redisdata,pubfiles,privfiles,webgen data class web front class app,cache,rdb,search appt class playconf,sitesconf,pgsecret conf- pg-data (
rdb) — the PostgreSQL cluster; thetalkyarddatabase is your entire forum: users, pages, posts, votes, settings. This is the single most important volume. - es-data + es-logs (
search) — the Elasticsearch full-text index. Derived data: it can be rebuilt by re-indexing from Postgres, so it isn't part of the backup set. - redis-data (
cache) — Redis persistence. Holds ephemeral-ish state (presence, watchbar, one-time login secrets, link-preview cache), not authoritative forum content. - pub-files — public uploads (avatars, attachments). Mounted
rwbyapp(which writes them) androbyweb(which serves the bytes directly). - priv-files — private uploads. Mounted
rwbyapponly. Note the backup caveat below. - web-generated (
web) — storage for the built-in lua-resty-auto-ssl ACME account key. Dormant if you terminate TLS in a reverse proxy in front ofweb; still present. - Bind mounts (ro):
conf/web/sites-enabled/intoweb, andconf/app/play-framework.confintoapp. These are your config, read once at container start. - Docker secret:
postgres_password.txtis delivered as a file-based secret toappandrdb(and to the backup job) rather than an environment variable.
- pg-data (
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The backup pipeline
Talkyard ships a stock
backupservice defined underprofiles: [backup], so it never auto-starts — it's a one-shot container you invoke on demand (docker compose run --rm). Point your own scheduler at it: acronentry or asystemdtimer, on whatever schedule you like. Each run produces a self-contained set of archives in a bind-mounted output directory.flowchart LR sched["`**Your scheduler** _cron / systemd timer_ (any schedule you like)`"] backup["`**backup container** _docker compose run --rm_ profiles: [backup] one-shot`"] rdb[("`**rdb** _postgres cluster_`")] pubfiles[("`**pub-files** _public uploads_`")] privfiles[("`**priv-files** _private uploads_`")] redisdata[("`**redis-data** _dump.rdb_`")] projdir@{ shape: doc, label: "project dir (conf + .env + compose + secrets/)" } bksecret@{ shape: doc, label: "backup_password.txt" } bkdir[("`**backup archives dir** _rw bind mount_`")] sched ==>|"/ty/backup.sh"| backup rdb ==>|"pg_dumpall + gzip<br/>(all dbs + roles)"| backup pubfiles ==>|"ro — only uploads/<br/>subdir archived"| backup redisdata ==>|"ro — dump.rdb"| backup projdir ==>|"ro — whole dir tarred into config<br/>archive incl. secrets: why GPG matters"| backup bksecret -->|"secret — GPG passphrase"| backup privfiles -.->|"mounted ro but NEVER archived<br/>(known gap)"| backup backup ==>|"GPG AES256 only while backup_password<br/>non-empty, else SILENT plaintext"| bkdir classDef data fill:#fef3c7,stroke:#d97706,color:#78350f classDef conf fill:#dbeafe,stroke:#2563eb,color:#1e3a5f classDef idle fill:#f3f4f6,stroke:#9ca3af,color:#4b5563,stroke-dasharray:5 5 classDef world fill:#f1f5f9,stroke:#64748b,color:#334155 class rdb,pubfiles,redisdata,privfiles,bkdir data class projdir,bksecret conf class backup idle class sched world- What the script dumps.
/ty/backup.shrunspg_dumpallagainstrdb(piped throughgzip) — that captures all databases plus roles, not a single-databasepg_dump. Redis is captured from itsdump.rdb. - Uploads. From
pub-files, only theuploads/subdirectory is archived (read-only mount). - The config archive contains your secrets. The whole project directory —
conf/,.env, the compose files, and thesecrets/directory — is tarred (read-only) into a config archive. That means the archive includes your Postgres password and any other secrets on disk. This is the reason encryption matters. - Optional GPG-at-rest. If the
backup_passwordsecret (secrets/backup_password.txt) is non-empty, the output is encrypted with GPG AES256. Caveat: if that secret is empty, the script does not fail — it silently falls back to writing the archives (including the secrets-bearing config archive) in plaintext. Set a passphrase, or your at-rest backups expose everything. - Output. Archives land in a read-write bind-mounted directory on the host. Retention/pruning of old archives, and copying archives off-box, are things you arrange yourself around this one-shot job.
Known caveat: priv-files is mounted but not archived
priv-files(private uploads) is mounted into the backup container read-only, but the stockbackup.shnever reads it — nothing frompriv-filesends up in any archive. If your site stores private uploads, the default backup does not protect them; you'll want to archive that volume separately until this gap is closed upstream.Summary
Volume Owner In stock backup? pg-data rdb Yes — via pg_dumpallpub-files ( uploads/)app rw / web ro Yes redis-data cache Yes — dump.rdbpriv-files app No — known gap es-data / es-logs search No — rebuildable index project dir (config + secrets) host bind Yes — GPG-encrypted only if a passphrase is set - What the script dumps.